Fallacies about Herd Immunity

Dr Sunetra Gupta writes at AIER, American Institute for Economic Research Matt Hancock is Wrong about Herd Immunity.  Excerpts in italics with my bolds.

Yesterday in parliament, Matt Hancock explained to the house why, “on the substance”, the central claim of the Great Barrington Declaration was “emphatically not true”.

“Many diseases never reach herd immunity – including measles, malaria, AIDS and flu…” he said. “Herd immunity is a flawed goal – even if we could get to it, which we can’t.”

Let’s have a look at the diseases he mentions. Measles, if it arrives on ‘virgin soil’, can devastate a population. In Tahiti and Moorea and the South-east and North-west Marquesas, between 20% and 70% of the population was lost to the first epidemic. Natural infection with measles provides lifelong immunity, and we now have a vaccine which provides similar solid, durable protection. We have not been able to eliminate the disease, but those who rather selfishly choose not to vaccinate their children are only able make that choice because the risks of infection are kept low by those who are immune — currently, a combination of those, like me, who caught it and recovered and many others for whom it is vaccine induced. The vaccine does not work in babies, which is why you have to wait till they are a year old before they get it. We can do this because herd immunity keeps the risk of infection down, so they are are unlikely to be infected in their first year of life. Without this herd protection, many under ones would die (as they regularly do in sub-Saharan Africa) despite a vaccine being available.

Malaria (a primary focus of my research) is caused by a parasite which carries at least 60 different outfits with which to disguise itself from immune attack. We, nonetheless, typically acquire sufficient immunity upon first infection so as not to suffer severe disease and death upon further attacks. This is a feature it probably has in common with Covid-19. But that is where the similarity ends. It has been difficult to make a malaria vaccine that covers all of its diversity, but fortunately that should not be a problem for Covid-19.

AIDS is caused by the Human Immunodeficiency Virus which also has an extraordinary capacity to change outfits during the course of infection. This, and other mechanisms of subverting the immune response, allow it to persist indefinitely in an infected person. Even so, rates of infection will slow down as the virus runs out of people to infect.

Fortunately, Covid-19 does not possess such an array of immune evasion mechanisms that could seriously compromise any possibility of vaccine development in the next few years.

Like HIV, influenza also has the ability to change its outfit, and periodically a new strain emerges requiring a new vaccine. It is because sufficient immunity accumulates in the population that a radical change of outfit becomes worthwhile. What Mr Hancock means when he says we do not reach herd immunity to flu is that it finds ways around it; it is unlikely, given the nature of coronaviruses that the SARS Cov-2 virus would be capable of doing the same thing.

In a nutshell, the development of immunity through natural infection is a common feature of many pathogens, and it is reasonable to assume that Covid-19 does not have any tricks up its sleeve to prevent this from happening — it would pose a very serious problem for the development of a vaccine if it did. Having said this, the Covid-19 virus belongs to a family of viruses which do not typically give you lifelong immunity against infection. Most of us will never have heard of these other four ‘seasonal’ coronaviruses that are currently circulating in our communities. And yet surveys indicate that at least 3% of the population is infected by any single one of these corona cousins during the winter months. These viruses can cause deaths in high risk groups or require them to receive ICU care or ventilator support, so it is not necessarily true that they are intrinsically milder than the novel Covid-19 virus. And like the Covid-19 virus, they are much less virulent in the healthy elderly and younger people than influenza.

One important reason why these corona cousins do not kill large numbers of people is because even though we lose immunity and can be reinfected, there is still always a decent enough proportion of immune people in the population to keep the risk of infection low to those who might die upon contracting it. Also, all the coronaviruses in circulation — including the Covid-19 virus— have some features in common which means that getting one coronavirus will probably offer some protection against other coronaviruses. This is becoming increasingly clear from work in many labs, including my lab in Oxford. It is against this background of immunity from itself and its close relations that Covid-19 virus has to operate.

So what does Mr Hancock mean by “reaching” herd immunity? Herd immunity is a continuous variable which increases as people become immune and decreases as they lose immunity or die. He is perhaps referring to the threshold of herd immunity at which the rate of new infections starts to decrease. We do not yet have a very clear idea of what this threshold is for Covid-19 as the landscape in which it spreads includes people who are susceptible to it, people who have built up immunity to it, and people who have immunity to other coronaviruses.

Unfortunately, we do not have a good way of telling how many people have actually been exposed to the new virus, or how many people were resistant to start with. We are able to test for antibodies – and my lab in Oxford has been doing so since early April – but, as with other coronaviruses, Covid-19 antibody levels decline after recovery, and some people do not make them at all, and so antibody levels will not give us the answer. More and more evidence is accumulating that other arms of immunity, like T cells, play an important role.

Indications of the herd immunity threshold having been reached are available from the time signatures of epidemics in various parts of the world where death and infection curves tend to “bend” in the absence of intervention or to stay down when interventions were relaxed (in comparison with other locations where the opposite happened). But we do not know how far we are from it in most parts of the UK. It is important to bear in mind that the attainment of the herd immunity threshold does not lead to disease eradication. Instead it corresponds to an equilibrium state in which the infections lingers at low levels in the community. This is the situation we tolerate for most infectious diseases (like flu which kills 650K people every year globally). The situation can be vastly improved through vaccination, but it is very difficult to eliminate the disease even with a good vaccine.

We are of course also able to test for presence of the virus, and there is much attention on this with ‘test and trace’ strategies. However this test, known as the PCR test, is of limited value as it cannot tell us whether someone is infectious and can pass on the disease, whether they have the virus but cannot pass it on, or indeed whether the virus has been destroyed by the immune system and only fragments remain. This means that we need to make public health decisions based on only partial information, and in a changing environment, and is why assumptions of how many people have been infected and are immune are so important.

The Great Barrington Declaration proposes a solution for how we may proceed in the face of such uncertainty. It suggests that we exploit the feature of this virus that does not cause much harm to the large majority of the population to allow them to resume their normal lives, while shielding those who are vulnerable to severe disease and death.

Under these circumstances, immunity will build up in the general population to a level that poses a low enough risk of infection to the vulnerable population that they may resume their normal lives. All of this can happen over a period of six months, and so this Focused Protection plan does not involve the permanent segregation of the vulnerable from the rest of the population.

It is important that any new proposal should receive close scrutiny and constructive criticism. I’ve addressed the short duration of immunity; but another worry is the ‘occult damage‘, or secondary effects sustained by those who are not obviously vulnerable. It is not at all unexpected that some people would suffer post-viral symptoms for extended periods of time (I believe I did!) and that it may be quite debilitating for some. Among the lessons we could learn from this crisis could be a wider recognition of the frequency and intensity of post-viral syndromes and an investment in support (leave of absence from jobs, help with daily activities) of those unfortunate enough to suffer in this way. But it is not a new phenomenon and cannot be a good enough reason to stop the world and potentially let tens of millions of people starve to death.

How such a plan may be put into place is obviously the next step to detail, and it is natural that some people might view with scepticism that it can be achieved other than in theory. Many components of protecting the vulnerable have already been enacted in the process of locking down so we should be discussing how these can be improved rather than dismissing them. Directing efforts at hospitals and care homes is one obvious priority. Other parts of the problem – such as the protection of vulnerable people within family settings – require careful discussion and thought, but it must always be borne in mind that these are temporary measures and in the long run could save more lives than cycling in and out of destructive lockdowns.

One colleague likened the GBD plan to “putting all your antiques in a room while your house is burning and fanning the flames”. A better analogy for the build up of herd immunity would rather be to douse the rest of the house with water (which could damage the Chippendale commode) — but it is hard to see how these could be the terms of a serious discussion.

Since the declaration last week, the Great Barrington Declaration has come under attack across the media, online (including Wikipedia and Google) from fellow academics as being part of a Libertarian conspiracy (my politics are not remotely libertarian) or being based in “pseudoscience”; others attempting to be less defamatory say that our views are “fringe”. The large number of serious scientists from top institutions taking part suggest otherwise. There are genuine good faith disagreements that must be aired and discussed — the impact on the world is too significant for us to fail to have this discussion in a serious way.

Footnote: The chart compares covid deaths in Germany with fatalities prior to covid. The chart plots deaths from all causes by calendar weeks. The green line shows the average death rate in Germany from 2016 to 2019. The yellow line is deaths by weeks in 2020. The red line shows covid deaths. Clearly in April covid deaths contributed to the peak for 2020; which was slightly lower than the March average. However, a second peak in August is not due to covid deaths, but may rather reflect social restrictions imposed upon the public. H/T Virtual Reality




    • Ron Clutz · October 15, 2020

      A.K.A Tony “Fallacious” Fauci

      Liked by 2 people

      • kakatoa · October 16, 2020

        If one, mask, is good are two better?

        Vice President Biden appeared to be part of a study, a triple blind one?, as he was recently seen wearing an N95(X?) against his skin and a large secondary mask over that.


  1. Hifast · October 15, 2020

    Reblogged this on HiFast News Feed.


  2. Virtual Reality · October 16, 2020

    Hi Ron, this is the way I see the situation as it is with Covid-19 and the lockdowns by governments.

    Many nations and their governments have taken over the responsibility of most health care systems and therefore feel that they will be held to accountability for any deaths that might occur if they do not take action. This is happening in Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Italy and many other nations in Europe and North America or almost all Westernized Nations. This is a catch-22 situation, take no action and death tools will rise in a certain portion of the population or ignore the virus and be accused of mass murder. Common sense doesn’t apply here and won’t help win the argument. It’s a futile battle that will be fought with brutality against anyone who goes against the narrative.
    Get on some warm cloths and who knows maybe Justin Trudeau will be out of the office when this is over, maybe.


    • Ron Clutz · October 16, 2020

      VR, what you say is sad, but true. Elected officials have painted themselves and us into corners with their intentions to stop people from testing positive. With no way for them to back down to a balanced position, they doom our societies to ruin. Maybe Germany can wake up, Trump is trying to open up US, but faces extreme hostility. Trudeau wants Canada to wait for a vaccine; who knows what economy will remain if and when that happens next year or beyond. Once again it is not the virus but the political response that is destroying us.


      • Virtual Reality · October 16, 2020

        I guess we’ve summed it up for the moment… hunker down and wait and see.


  3. Virtual Reality · October 17, 2020


    Many of the corona tests are not for diagnostic procedures. This just to add a little more to the debate over the validity of the testing…

    Translated from the German article (link above to the whole transcript)

    Müller checked with various laboratories and found out: “Usually 36 to 40 sequences are run through, which results in an extremely high sensitivity. This also increases the probability that contacts with the virus that have long been overcome will lead to a positive test result. One of the laboratories was kind enough to send her an instruction manual for the test. And there it is written, under point 1, to which Mike Yeadon has already referred: “For research purposes only. Not suitable for diagnostic procedures.”

    Müller hakte bei verschiedenen Labors nach und stellte fest: In der Regel werden 36 bis 40 Sequenzen durchlaufen, was eine extrem hohe Sensitivität ergibt. Damit steigt auch die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass längst überwundene Kontakte mit dem Virus zu einem positiven Testresultat führen. Eines der Labore war so freundlich, ihr noch eine Bedienungsanweisung des Tests zu schicken. Und dort steht geschrieben, unter Punkt 1, worauf bereits Mike Yeadon hingewiesen hat: «Nur für Forschungszwecke. Nicht für diagnostische Verfahren geeignet.»

    Cheers from Virtual Reality


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